Kode9 talks Burial, Hyperdub and the roots of dubstep Red Bull Music Academy

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Adjudicated APPROVED 2026-07-11 (basis: owner ruling 2026-07-11: institutional recordings released except fee-charging course content; lane recent-institutional -> recent-institutional-released). Series: standalone. Source: audio original (.mp3).

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• 00:00:03

  All the way from Camberwell in South London. A bit of a monster flight the other day, but I do believe you're doing okay now. Mr. Code 9, all's been well with you, my friend? Everything is good. Everything is good. Apart from those 4am wake-ups, though, are a bit of a shaky one. Yeah, I'm not all together here. Part…

• 00:07:19

  Would you say that played quite a bit of influence, you know, a large part in influencing those guys? I think, because Steve Gurley used to be in foul play, so there was direct jungle linkages. And I think definitely the early dubstep stuff was coming out of... really, I suppose, the metalheads-related side of drum…

• 00:15:44

  And dubstep came from, um, Steve Gurley, LBE, Ted Bias. That kind of baseline side of Garage. And they kind of went off in their own directions in a way. But they were all on, I suppose they were all featured on Rince one way or another. So Rince kind of held them together as, as latter forms of UK Garage, which…

• 00:22:58

  Right. But obviously the tempo, the tempo was fine to play in sets, but. People, I mean, it wasn't deliberately like this, but people heard it as some kind of, um, some kind of connection to, uh, Berlin dub people like Rhythm and Sound. Um, and also at that time, 2002 to 2003 in Grime, there was a thing called…

• 00:33:05

  It's kind of interesting to know, I mean with what's happening now, with the technology that's available, and pretty much every single other genre of music, everyone's gone in the direction of your Serato, and drum based DJs were pretty much the last bastion to a certain degree of dub plate culture. Yet it seems that…

• 00:40:55

  Yeah, I mean, it's not a big label at all, but, you know, it's going in the right direction. And, you know, the vinyl sales are going up, which is kind of cool in this day and age. Vinyl sales are going up, the CD sales are great. I think, for some reason, I think vinyl is experiencing a little bit of a resurgence…

• 00:49:23

  How long have you been researching the book for? Oh, quite a long time. I mean it's just something I've been squeezing into to a kind of busy schedule for the last few years. But hopefully I'll get it finished in the next few months. I mean, being a producer and going through the whole process of trying…

• 01:03:16

  around uh the academy for the next couple of days yeah I'm doing a gig at Croft Institute tomorrow night um and I'm around I'm working on a track with Tiago nice um and I'm around so if anyone and you're a very friendly man so if anyone has any uh questions or anything just come and say hi yeah once again thank…