Penzance Convention 013 panel discussion chaired by Robin Mackay

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• 00:00:00

  I'm going to ask all of our speakers to come and join me on the stage. I think it would be unreasonable not to open it up straight to the audience for some questions. We have a limited time, I'm afraid. Thanks very much. What a great lineup, but I'm really interested in this attempt to understand and grasp what…

• 00:04:07

  Any other questions? I feel that... I couldn't answer Esther's question. I'll leave it. There's something else. Yes. Right there. Yes. I was interested in the... You've been talking about different forms of extraction and perhaps the first speaker and maybe Esther as well referred to labor, which I think…

• 00:07:59

  I think the interesting question is, at what point does that self-determination suddenly change or did it suddenly change? Or what were the relations between the increasing capital needed to go deeper and to bring out more? And this kind of community, which had developed over the years and centuries, indeed. Yes…

• 00:11:33

  I can't really sort of summarize it, but I just would like to insert it into the discussion. Another point which occurred to me with respect to this question is the fact that, there's a certain kind of enjoyment, and this is what Alan was suggesting, I think, that miners enjoyed their work. And it reminds…

• 00:15:41

  It's often felt that capitalism is actually revealing a process which was in nature from the beginning. The Darwinian struggle is often a metaphor which is clumsily brought forward to justify some capacious natural practices. And that's one avenue of thought that I can't realize any further than that. The other…

• 00:19:30

  I'd like to pick up on this homo-favor, this notion that we make things and we delight in stuff as species, it seems. How do we reconcile that to our apparent outrage at the destruction or the exploitation or however we want to call it, to natural resources? But also, where does that sit within our continuing romantic…

• 00:22:07

  And we don't really address the landscape in any realistic sense. We are continually absolutely seduced by our iPads. And it's a dynamic which I don't, I think Esther might be able to answer where it might lead us to. Does your work count, do you see your work as countering this by in some way kind of exacerbating…

• 00:26:09

  And what better way of sustaining ourselves on these long journeys than virtual worlds where we could watch our own ID populate in Lux Canada. Thanks very much to all our speakers. .