Turning Inward Lou Cantor, David Joselit and Reza Negarestani

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• 00:00:00

  We're really pleased tonight to be hosting this discussion this evening between artist collective Lucantor, art historian David Yoselit, and philosopher Reza Negrestani to mark the launch of a new publication titled Turning Inward, published by Sternberg and edited by Lucantor and designer and editor Clemens Jan. This…

• 00:08:46

  Yeah, on the other hand, phase pareidolia is not really an error. It's more like a quality of our perception. Do you all know what phase pareidolia is? It's when you approach something and you feel it looks like a face. And it can be, you know, it can be a car, but it can be a building which has, you know, two windows…

• 00:18:32

  Well, I mean, that's what I think I tried to articulate just a second ago, that there, just as a commodity is about a transaction, not necessarily about the transaction itself, with currency, with money, so too, I think, a currency need not be money. It can be an exchange. And I think that... I think that works…

• 00:30:09

  So that's the idea. And transmission of cognitive biases throughout generations, or throughout modes of production of knowledge. So one of the things that this idea of alienation talks about, or the kind of alienation that I am referring to, is this kind of a battle, or basically, procedural battle, procedural move…

• 00:41:29

  And if there is a danger that relates to that? It's hard to talk to you with the mic.. But I was arguing is that in this text is that whereas Benjamin's idea of the aura is rooted to a site specific and inalienable situation, a work, right? or a thing that can't move, that buzz, on the other hand, as opposed to aura…

• 00:52:22

  Is that what you were describing when you said the maladies of the mind and the pitfalls of knowledge, in relation to the pitfalls of knowledge? Yes, yes. Mind in the sense, when I'm saying mind, I specifically use it in the sense of Kant and Hegel. Mind as a social edifice. Because our capacity, the way that Kant…

• 01:02:51

  It's an unexamined sense of what art can do. And I mean, I believe in art, but I think that when claims made for art are exorbitant and impossible for it to accomplish, that is setting up like a really just a kind of arena for defeatism and failure. And when you add in the huge amounts of money that gets pumped into…

• 01:12:18

  And I just wanted to thank everybody for speaking. Josephine, Kolia, and David, and Reza, thank you very much. And thanks, everybody, for coming. Thank you, Richard and Artists Space.