1 Lendl and Amy Ireland (abr) - Counting for Meat Puppets - Doing it for the Gram

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• 00:00:00

  function as outside or outer time. Outside time, outer time. Because they're not connected to the central socket. They're kind of . Yeah, exactly. Yeah, because time happens. Or at least a certain type of time happens here. The time has been chronometric time. Architectonic order of the eschaton time happens here. So…

• 00:03:23

  What's the lowest amount of dots or objects that we can use to make a perfect pyramid? In this case, it's going to be 6. And if that's not making so much sense, you want it a little bit clearer, you can think of it as just another way of counting. So you can divide the pyramid like this. So 1, 2, 3. So it's kind…

• 00:07:46

  Anyway, so like that's kind of the main, let's say, that's how you set up, that's how you build a numogram. And like this, I mean, Lucia, we'll go into this more later, but of course, we have become habituated to decimal systems. Of course, it's possible to build this out of any system, whether or not it's a different…

• 00:13:39

  roots and rites that go from, let's say, 7 to 2, and there may or may not be different ways of getting there. For example, let's take katak, 5-4. There's a way of getting, you know, direct, you just go 5-4, you have a path, or you can go from 4 to 1, to then 8, to 7, to 2, then to 5. So there's, you know, you might…

• 00:17:14

  And the kind of construction that you get just from making this one shift starting from zero instead of one gives you a completely different occult system, philosophical system, political system. I think it's also apt to connect it to a kind of cyber-feminist mandate starting from zero instead of one, which…

• 00:20:11

  I don't know if it's as interesting since I can't show. Well, basically, do you wanna just describe it? I mean, I can describe it. Yeah, sure. I mean, effectively you get a standard playing deck, which has 52 cards normally, 54 if you're counting the jokers. You take out the jokers. You take out, first, I mean, I…

• 00:23:31

  And the cards that are face up can make a syzygy. So what you do is you subtract this in the same way that you would to create a current. So I have negative nine. And you add these remaining cards. In this case, it's just not gonna work. I have 16, 21, 30. So I got these cards equal 30, this card, this equals negative…

• 00:26:30

  So, yeah. Anyway, so yeah, back in the 90s, it was four of us, just to say that. Yeah.