7 Symposium Speculations on Anonymous Materials - Podiumsdiskussion

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• 00:00:12

  The kind of selfs that we were defining are somehow different in this case. As I said, this is a kind of a self as being an object of construction. It's not really a form of the traditional understanding of intentional state self or even, for example, going a little bit forward, phenomenological self model…

• 00:07:46

  But that's compatible with saying that we are constructing the self. It depends on how you read constructing. I would say constructing is the generation of the next illusion. And not so much the finding out who you are in the sense of now I know what it is that I am. It's more like now I know again what it is what I'm…

• 00:16:19

  So that's not a coincidence that you come up with this name. So, you know, we have recently had quite a few discussions about, you know, related material. And I think that, you know, deep similarities between what he's doing and what I'm doing. But I didn't know of his work before. So I presented a version of this…

• 00:24:12

  So I'm just wondering if you see perhaps a way out or a way in to this discussion of in what instance is or are conceptual functions overextended, especially in, let's say to make it simpler, in giving an explanatory function to art, or can one give that to something which engages only in a kind of material abduction…

• 00:33:09

  You know, and actually I think with many of the works that are under consideration in this exhibition and beyond, bringing them into the white cube isn't about bringing them into a space of comfort. It's about creating conditions of extreme discomfort by confronting people with these materials that we are very…

• 00:41:22

  One idea that shouldn't play a role anymore is the idea that art ought not to refer. I mean there was, at some point there was the idea, you know, if art refers to anything, that's already not critical. So to be critical or political or whatever is to make it such that the artwork doesn't refer to anything. But…

• 00:52:34

  order to understand this was more common than a question wait for the microphone so there are two more questions you have I have I'm not interested in having one okay well now it's work I wanted to actually bring you to the subject you started at the very beginning of the panel you spoke about shaping reshaping…

• 01:12:22

  but thanks a lot to you Susanne Tom Nina and especially to the speakers today thanks a lot