Anthropol The Future of Human Insecurity (Session 4)

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• 00:00:01

  Okay. We are live now. Hello everyone. Welcome to Nick Lantz, The Future of Human Insecurity, Session 4. Nick, would you like to start? Sure. So our topic this week is Roko's Basilisk. We touched upon in the second session what I think was the crummiest and most defective monster that's kicked up by this whole…

• 00:23:44

  That's his definition of it. He says if you end up with a thousand bucks rather than a million bucks, then if your definition of rationality thinks you did the right thing, there's something wrong with your definition of rationality. So it's simply, he thinks it is pointless to be rational if rational means you lose…

• 00:45:46

  But I think... Have we just lost Jake? Have I lost everybody? No. We're here. I'm here. Can you hear me? No. Okay. Good. Yeah, yeah. Jake, do you want to speak? No. No. That was... There was nothing serious there. That was just imagining all of this experience suddenly blinking out and going, that's what you thought…

• 01:11:33

  Yeah. Because I want to converse with Joel on this. Yeah, yeah. But the thing is, the possibility of AI, right, the possibility of AI is very secular. It's not as, like, hyper-speculative as the possibility of God existing, or, like, you know what I mean, some form of super-intelligence being somewhere, right, that…

• 01:32:26

  moving towards this, meeting this requirement, then you can totally say that sort of like our political economy increasingly is punishing those who are not involved in helping AI emerge by looking at how much people in the tech industry makes compared to people who are not in the tech industry make. Look at how, like…

• 01:53:58

  Yes. I think it's a really, the, the, it's a very twisted, sort of relation, isn't it? Like, obviously take this topic, Roko's Basilisk, like on one level, it's just almost, purely literary. I mean, it's, it's, all these references to the Necronomicon, and these things are, I think, completely, spot on. It's, it's…

• 02:19:03

  Like, you know, there's, if these AI people are already engaged in some kind of weird demonism, um, then, and, and, and these references to the Necronomicon become absolutely inescapable. Yeah. So, then very quickly we're saying, well, what about doing demonism in, you know, the year 1000 or 1000 BC or 5000 BC, I…

• 02:40:51

  And remember, we're going to be moving back in time, right? Yeah, that's right. No, we're now sliding back the other side. Okay, thanks everyone. I'm going to stop the broadcast. Thank you, Nick. Okay, thanks.