Nick Land Explains Artificial Intelligence

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• 00:00:00

  Hi Winston! Hello, everybody out there in the audience. Hello. We are joined by a very special, special, special, special guest, Mr. Nick Land. And of course, Mikey's here as well. And you guys on the channel know, recently, Mikey and I have been talking a lot about artificial intelligence and human intelligence…

• 00:10:32

  And so it's a third thing. It's a synthesis of fact and value that Bostrom doesn't see. Yeah. I mean, that definitely is how... I mean, that's... that definitely is how the mechanics have to work. If you can... if you can draw a persuasive diagonal in the context of this artificial intelligence debate, it must be like…

• 00:20:07

  So can I ask, okay. So what Bostrom's point is, is like, okay, so AI can have an incredible level of intelligence, but it just doesn't, it doesn't mean it really comprehends values or worse or purposes. And so this is the paperclip thing that you hate so much. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I hate it so much, but you're, what…

• 00:33:33

  So I get exposed to it a certain amount. And I've been the one thing that has shocked me most about it. Yeah. Is that the things that they seem to just do stunningly well is all the squishy stuff that people sort of stereotypically have thought they would be not able to do. You know what I mean? Like I had this thing…

• 00:44:16

  estan estan estan sort of that imbues humans with a level of plasticity that i'm not convinced we have i mean i sort of feel in the plasticity race we're definitely gonna not be the not be the pole in pole position because like we just we have a lot of like very very inertial biological stuff in us um and so yeah…

• 00:57:13

  There's just no, it's, it's such a strong demand. And it's something that we can see a solution to in broad outline. But again, I'll just say that back on your specific thing and, you know, but, but, but nothing is actually like located in any hard way in that robotic system. That is going to have to have…

• 01:10:04

  I try, I will try to be ever more, but immensely open to nightmare scenarios. I, you know, it's a, it's a duty, but at least make them interesting. The one thing I'll say, like, because I think part of it, cause you're known as the nightmare scenario thinker, you know, cause the old school it's thank you. It…

• 01:22:52

  find out what happens to our heroes same bat time same bat channel all those things and uh that's all folks