Reza Negarestani, Ravenna Hunt-Hendrix, Mattin, Mo Salemy

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• 00:00:00

  Okay, I'm seeing all the connecting to audio blips going away. So yeah, again, thank you everybody for coming. This conversation is going to be about one hour long. Please mute your microphones during the conversation. If you have any questions, just feel free to write them in the chat and we'll try to get them…

• 00:09:54

  And I think the specific reference that we were discussing, was in a talk that Ressa had done for the new center regarding abstraction as method in Carnup. So, I'm not sure how to necessarily relate this presently, though, to your question. I mean, I just don't want to interfere or, you know, kind of like…

• 00:23:06

  that at the end this determination of the last instance you know which is a concept that he takes from lal tusser but then while altuser it was economy to take this role of determination in laruel it will be the stranger that one which is totally unique and cannot be determined by anything else but actually what…

• 00:35:55

  Absolutely. Yes. No, I don't disagree with that. Maybe it would really help... We should discover it through music. Sorry? We should discover it through music. Sorry. No, no. I mean, I think... I think it's... I think it's... Well, I mean, I think... I think it's... We definitely should... You know, but we have…

• 00:49:53

  And that is, it's an obvious sign that you're doing something. And your anger more is a further sign that it's actually producing something. Well, I was, you know, you should have seen me at the press release of documenta sitting on those chairs. This is nothing, you know, but anyways, I just want to bring it back…

• 01:00:09

  Well, I mean, his theory of history is, you know, it comes from the German idealism book, which is a critique. Of people who were criticizing, you know, I guess, Hegel and, you know, so, you know, it's a critique of all the linker Hegelians. We were like kind of taking, you know, like Falberg criticizing religion…

• 01:15:11

  So I was always looking for a philosophical model, but now I'm looking for a philosophical model. I'm looking for a philosophical system that could account for all these complexities and still be able to produce something that will resonate. And this is why I think, I think new rationalism is the closest thing to this…

• 01:24:40

  Thanks for everyone for participating. I think that's about time right now. Thanks for all the members of the audience for coming today, and the members in Oslo at the gallery too. A special thanks to Matin, Mo, Reza, and Ravenna, and my co-moderator Connor, and also Ben Green for helping out with the Zoom technology…